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in on these fiscal cliff talks. here is "the new york times" -- in the "financial times" this morning -- roger altman writing today in "the financial times." president obama will be meeting with several governors today at the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. they will be meeting this morning around 10:00 a.m. eastern time, and then the governors are slated to hold a news conference at around 11:30 a.m. eastern time. go to our website for more details. washington insiders tackle fiscal cliff policy solutions. the group will hold a roundtable discussion today on the importance of reform to address the nation's debt and deficit spending this event takes place this morning around 8:30 a.m. eastern time. go to our website for all our coverage of the fiscal cliff talks. we have a web site set up so you can follow along on our special page for these fiscal cliff talks. back to your phone calls. good morning, doris. caller: good morning. the plan that the republicans offered, this is just the romney-ryan plan that the american voters said no to. other than destroying our earned benefit, i do not c
? should entitlement reform be part of fiscal cliff talks? log on to gerriwillis.com, vote on the right hand side of the screen, and we'll share the results. departments paint grover as the villain for why there's no deal. does he deserve the blame? american enterprise institute and political science, norm, i understand that you blame grover front and center. he's the man carrying a pitch fork tonight. >> well, i blame grover, among others, for a lot of the tribalism we've had in the last few years, but it's also the case. if you look at the simpson-bowles report, the rivlin-dmin economy report, the gang of six and crapo and johanns, all say we need a deal that includes $4 trillion in debt reduction over ten years, and about a third of it coming from renues. you got revenues at 15% or just over that of gdp, and spending at 24%, and you got to bring the spending down, but you got to bring revenues up. frankly, we're not going to have a deal. gerri: it's the object of debate, debated every night here. >> yeah. gerri: i was looking at your bio, and back in 2006, you wrote a book called "ho
. >> he said america can't afford itself right now the way we're going. fiscal cliff talks today continue with geithner making the rounds on capitol hill. later this morning, third quarter gdp expected to be revised higher. economists expect gdp for july to september to be revised from 2% to 2.8%. that would be good news. this is still modest growth. everyone hopes that next year will be a better year than this one in terms of growth. you want to see more than 2.5% growth consistently. >> i will say amen to that. >>> if at first you don't succeed, coming up, south korea trying to launch another rocket. find out how it went this time. >>> and if you are leaving the house now, watch us any time on your desk top or your mobile phone, just go to cnn.com/tv. a , try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. but when i was in an accident... i was wo
jobless claims which have some sandy issues involved or the fiscal cliff talks? >> definitely the fiscal cliff. what you were talking about yesterday, boehner's comments really turned things around for the markets, all this sense of optimism all of a sudden. we saw the markets go from down triple digits for the dow up to triple digits. we haven't seen a swing like that since over a year ago. it's been october of 2011 was the last time it happened. it's definitely the fiscal cliff driving things. we heard commentary from lloyd blankfein, between that and the lead story -- one of the top stories on the front page of the "wall street journal" suggesting the president is flexible on the tax hikes, that sounds like a deal might get done. you see a gain of 50 or 60 points. gdp up 2.7% from 2%. there was concerning things when you dig into the numbers, it's all fiscal cliff all the time here, chuck. >> oh, hopefully, as you guys say, it will all -- people will rise above, right, becky? >> that's right. >> i know. i see the button. up next, we're taking a deep dive into the u.s. relationship wit
fiscal cliff that people are talking about? what about the danger of another recession, an economic slowdown? automakers are saying that they are prepared for that because they've got a better mix of cars this time. and they are pushing full bore ahead with new technology. we spoke with sprint, which is introducing a package to automakers that will actually turn your car into a wireless hot spot. enabling passengers to surf the internet. enabling you if your teenager is driving the car to make sure no one is texting while they're driving. they're going full steam ahead. let's listen. >> so imagine, if you will, you're driving the family to the summer vacation home. right? your wife could be paying bills via her laptop or tablet in the front seat. your kids could be youtubing or facebooking in the back seat, downloading a movie off netflix. everyone is happy including the driver not having to stop every 15 minutes to go to the bathroom. the kids are focused on what they want to do so the entire consumer experience in the vehicle is enhanced. >> and it's not all about practicality. ne
and the fiscal cliff. everyone talks about taxes and what is going to happen with the fiscal cliff. there has been $1500 gone to increase oil prices. you can get them that tax cut today if you invested in our report. everybody talks about entitlements. high oil prices make the social security trust insolvent five years sooner than they would if he did not have high oil prices. america needs jobs and growth. following the recommendations in our report will lead to both of those. it would be good for american business. >> i will start with senator alexander. tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't spend much money on energy. energy research is about $6 billion a year. i would like to see it doubled. this report is a blueprint for independence and i think it is the right blueprint. we are not in a position to be held host
are mired in conversations about a fiscal cliff on the very right now. we're talking about long-term infrastructure build-out, a long-term energy plan. what role should c.e.o.'s have and the federal government have in making sure this gets done? >> this is the perfect opportunity for the federal government and for state governments to work together to achieve a common goal, right? there's plenty of times where, when we run a business, our interests might not coalesce with the interests of either of the parties. as fred said, this is the opportunity that we have never had in this country before, where you can have consumer, the business and the governments all working together to take advantage of this huge resource, if you want to call it saudi america. from a waste management perspective, for us it makes so much sense, because it makes business sense. we get about $1.65 equivalent with natural gas and $4.10 diesel, so it makes great sense for our business. from a government point of view everybody today is talking about jobs and the fiscal cliff. our recommendations in the repo
have been a policy areas of the fiscal cliff talks. today the alternative minimum tax. hope i said that a. >> guest: something that was passed in the 1960s to animate a small group of high income individuals that were not paying any taxes. it did not have an inflation adjustment, so now the group has grown enormously and we assume in a budgeting sense the way we budget that this revenue will come in. it's not going to comment because if we allow the text if you can look at tens of millions of america. so we fixed it. i would hope in the next year we could have a permanent fix to get it out of the budgetary budget. same thing with what is called sgr, sustainable growth with medicare and medicaid. we patched these things over. let's figure out a way to get it out of the budgeting process so numbers can be something they can project forward realistically. >> host: is this a big deal? >> guest: it is. if we were to not get it then it would be a big deal. we raise taxes on millions of americans overnight. this is one of those things they don't take about because we never let it happen.
of action in washington on the fiscal cliff talk. >> we're going to begin there. signs, perhaps, of a potential compromise there to avoid the so called fiscal cliff that would raise taxes on a typical american family by some $2,200. republican congressman tom cole, of oklahoma, is urging republicans to accept president obama's deal and allow the bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy to expire for now. so tax cuts for the middle class can stay in effect. but house speaker john boehner remains opposed, saying a tax hike on the wealthy will hurt the economy. >>> today, president obama is hosting mitt romney at the white house for a private lunch. after the election, the president promised to reach out to romney for his ideas. >>> and overseas, the u.s. could be getting more involved in the civil war in syria. "the new york times" is reporting the obama administration is considering options, including arming the rebel fighters there who have made progress in recent days in battling bashar al assad's forces. >>> and more trouble for president obama's expected nominee for secretary of stat
reading other stuff. this is wicked boring. >> i bet the president will talk to him about the fiscal cliff and they'll talk about entitlement reform and maybe tax reform. but the one thing i don't think the president will do because the president is a gentleman, you know, what was up with the 47% and gifts? i gave gifts to people? he's not going to go there with mitt romney. one, as i said because he's gentleman, but two, he doesn't have to because mitt romney is coming there not as president of the united states, but guest of. and that's the best -- >> i now have a solid preduction. he will not once say the word yo. >> that was my own -- >> your artistic representation. >> richard, what i think, the only thing i'd find great about it is watching obama, the actor. as we just saw, oh, i thought he did a terrific job at the olympics, i loved watching that stream of i'm not sure what you call it, but it's acting. it's not coming from the heart. >> he does it very sincerely and look, we may never know what happens inside those quiet rooms that they're going to be having their meeting in, but h
with each leader this morning to talk about the fiscal cliff or slope or curve. but whatever you call it, politico's front page headline reads, fiscal cliff deal emerging. it hashes out the flame woframe agreement including $400 billion in cuts to entitlements. but how close are they really? depends on who you ask. >> what's going on between the decision makers is little to nothing. >> you can actually now see what the contours of the deal look like. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to overt this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans. >> it's safer if you're on the progressive end of the political spectrum to go over the fiscal cliff than it is to agree to some of the things they're talking about. >> ruth, where do you stand, deal or no deal? >> not who deal, but who are more pessimistic. the clock is really ticking. about ten legislative days left in the year. outlines are there but the willingness to do it and the ability to get it done in time, i'm more disappointed than
tryinging to kick start fiscal cliff talks. just 33 days. congress breaks for the holidays in 15 days. >> treasury secretary tim geithner is going to try to get the talks moving today. he'll meet with congressional leaders on capitol hill. let's go to dan lothian live in washington for us. dan, tell us should americans be hopeful something will be done in 15 days? that's before congress goes on vacation. >> let's remind a little bit. it was a week ago when president obama met with congressional leaders before he went overseas. there was a sense of optimism that they could get something done. now it appear it is two sides are still very far apart. so that's why you see the president pushing this tax extension for middle class americans. the president believing this is not necessarily the answer, the comprehensive answer. it's part of the solution. he's been meeting with small business owners at the white house. with big-time ceos as well. yesterday had middle class americans who expressed how they would be impacted by taxes going up to the tune of $2200 if the middle class tax extensio
that he thinks we should go over the fiscal cliff. everyone i talked to in washington wants to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. and most importantly, they don't want to get the blame for it. that's why republicans will probably be motivate d to negotiate with the white house. it might be christmas eve, but in the end, that's what's going to bring them to the table. >> he said after a week or two, there would be the negotiations. he said instead of a cliff, it was like a curb. david, if americans, though, are going to blame the gop more so than the president, how much leverage does that give the president as negotiations are underway? >> i think it gives him substantial leverage right now. that's why you see him not revealing all his cards saying you have to come to us. speaker ba speaker boehner has to start with this. e he would look his speakership. and said sure, mr. president, we lost the election. this has to be his starting position. it's only december 2nd. we have a month, i think, lindsey graham saying we're going to go over the cliff. i don't buy that either. we have a motto get
averting the fiscal cliff, but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisan group of governors. >> i know that the president wants a deal and he didn't try to handicap it. >> reporter: earlier this week, he told so-called middle class americans on twitter, keep pressure on congress. he's even ventured outside the beltway rallying supporters to do just that. >> i'm going to be asking for you to be making your voices heard. >> reporter: why isn't he calling speaker boehner? >> we speak frequently. >> reporter: when will the two of you sit down in a room? >> i don't think the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: in part, the white house was burned with the negotiations in 2011 when lots of meetings failed to stave off a fiscal nightmare. but there's another strategy at play. some in the administration say they learned in the first term the best way to break washington stalemates, rally the public to their cause. here's how the president put it to cbs news. >> so getting out of this town, spending mo
'll head to the hill to talk to members from both sides about the fiscal cliff clash. plus, sharp divisions at the united nations. the world defies the u.s. in a historic vote for palestinians. and huge crowds are gathering in tahrir square after egypt approved a controversial new draft constitution. it's a move that's likely to inflame the political crisis there. we're live in cairo with what it all means for the region. first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. he is in pennsylvania at the toy factory talking fiscal cliff. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ emily jo ] derrell comes into starbucks with his wife, danielle, almost every weekend. derrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time. [ shirley ] things are sometimes a little tight around the house. i wasn't able to go to the wedding. [ emily jo ] since derrell couldn't get home, we decided to bring home to him and then just gave him a little bit of help finding his way. ♪ [ laughs ] [ applause ] i love you. i love you, too. side by side so you get the same coverage, often for less. that
mcconnell to talk about the so- called fiscal cliff. for more, go to our website, c- span.org. grover norquist of americans for tax reform talks about his no tax increase pledge. that is at c-span.org. tomorrow on "washington journal ," julie rovner discusses the health care law. kem dixon looks at the payroll tax cut that was enacted in 2010 and if the white house plans to extend it. then a discussion of whether will be extended and the impact on our current economy. plusher e-mails, phone calls, and tweets. >> on 16 or 17 basis in the united states we have military run schools. the average cost per child per year in those schools is $50,000. almost four times what the rest of the public education costs. the vast majority of our bases used public schools. we could take the money we are spending today, paying every public school system 14 dozen dollars per child, and save billions of dollars per year, and with the same or better outcomes. >> this weekend, you can talk with senator tom coburn about the fiscal cliff and the future of the republican party. the senator has written several
. walking-around money. walking-around money. >>> talking about big cash, let's get to the fiscal cliff. some developing news this morning. "politico" hassen e an exclusiv report that president obama and representative boehner had a "curt" telephone conversation. speak speaker boehner says he wants to move his position on tax rates but the president won't budge. he told him, if he has an alternative plan, he ought to put that forward rather than focusing on entitlements. the white house will send tim geithner to capitol hill for a meeting. yesterday the president met with ceos including at&t, goldman sachs, coca-cola and caterpillar, many of whom said after the meeting they emerged hopeful a deal could be struck to avoid the fiscal cliff. in another meeting with middle-class americans, president obama said he believes the framework for a deal could be in place before christmas. >> and i'll go anywhere, and i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. now's the time for us to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class
politics. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. you've been part of many of a political standoff. senate majority leader from '89 to 1995. how wide is the chasm between what we are seeing and hearing on cable news outfits and in newspapers, how wide is the gap between that and what is actually transpiring behind closed doors? >> it's pretty wide. look both sides are trying to accomplish two things at the same time. and they mutually contradictory. one is they want to convey to the broad american public that they're reasonable, they're willing to compromise, they're not obstructionist. at the same time, they want to convey to their partisans we're not going to cave in. and so you get one message in the morning, another in the afternoon and kind of a mixture of them in the evening. >> how do you think it plays out? >> i think the president is in a very strong position. the election was pretty clear and decisive result. the american people now regard by significant numbers, the republicans as obstructionists. i think they have a very important objective, the republicans do, that is to shed
boehner and house republican leaders talk about fiscal cliff negotiations. he says he is optimistic a deal can be reached with the president. >> morning, everyone. going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will her job creation in our country. republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal clef. one reason why we believe that we put revenue on the table as long as it is accompanied by serious spending cuts to avert a crisis. we believe this is the president's request for a balanced approach to this issue, and we are going to continue to work with the president to try to resolve this in a way that is fair for the american people. we all now that we have had the spending crisis coming at us like a freight train. it has to be dealt with. in order to try to come to an agreement, republicans are willing to put revenue on the table. it is time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem our country has. i am optimistic. we can continue to work together to avert this crisis, sooner
of about $1.2 trillion. and that needs to be remembered when we're talking about the fiscal cliff. now, women really are, in fact, bearing the primary burden of all of these cuts. and so what we're saying is, let's don't engage in these cuts. let's have an aggressive jobs policy, put people to work, bring more money into the federal treasury, and lower the deficit that way. and, obviously, tax the millionaires and billionaires fairly for the first time in 30 years. >> right. >> so, terry, aggressive jobs program. great. that's the third way. president obama submitted to congress the american jobs act last september. so are you suggesting -- are you suggesting that that bill be passed? are you suggesting that it be reworked, junked and recreated? the second part of that question is, what are you going to do? what is now going to do to ensure that it gets passed? >> i would really much rather representative john connier's jobs bill be passed. it's much more aggressive. january ja cow ski also has a wonderful jobs bill. president obama's is much more modst. but it does lead us beginning i
are talking about the patch about the 2012 taxable year, and unlike the fiscal cliff that affects tax rates that apply next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. if there is not congressional action here, there is the abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year under -- in 2011, approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 # million people will be required to pay in 2012, and for the current taxable year, and they will pay app additional $90 billion in tax. none of them -- few of them have any idea that this is on the table. >> host: is the isr prepared? >> guest: the irs took a fairly unusual, but i think correct position, taking the position that congress will do the responsible thing so they did their tax programming for next year for the 2012 return, assuming congress would enact the patch before the end of the year. if -- i think that was the reasonable thing to do because almost -- even i believe they will do that -- however, it does mean if there's not a patch, the tax return filing season next year will be
guest, fran dresher, on say anything! >> eliot: hidden among all this talk of the fiscal cliff-austerity bomb being covered in horrendous and tedious detail by every cable station is a potentially more dangerous accounting deadline. the debt ceiling. and yes this is deja vu all over again. but i have a solution for president obama this time around. mr. president, turn the tables on him speaker boehner that is. we all recall the trap that the white house fell into last year, letting negotiations over the potential government shutdown be concluded only to be held hostage again when the republicans then refused to raise the debt ceiling without getting additional concessions. it was, as congressman welch said it was professional malpractice not to wrap the debt ceiling into the first round of negotiations. so don't do it again. the debt ceiling will necessarily and inevitably be hit and breached early next year. yet when president obama told speaker boehner at their november 16th meeting to raise the ceiling by year's end boehner said there is a price for everything. no, there doe
the fiscal cliff because it doesn't sound like there is compromise in what you're saying saying. >> eliot: high lyleing the foolishness of the commentary this afternoon peter welch continues to encourage us to dive over the fiscal cliff and this is after congress mega congressman go halfraulgrijalva, thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. i'm--i was astounded by the credit that i was given to me by the people that were questioning me on c nbc, but you know, i'm glad that they saved the market the next day. >> eliot: i'm glad to meet the person who can control the market unilaterally, and i'll call to see which way you're going to move the market on any given day. >> one of my friends in congress asked me, the next time you make those comments, call me ahead of time so i can sell early. >> eliot: one of the best ways to make money. putting that all aside there seems to be some vast effort to create this almost hysteria that if we don't fix this issue right now, the economy will go into a cataclysm, and it seems to me that we're not talking about the issues that we should be talk
is for them to say let's do this. people are talking about the fiscal cliff on january 16789 businesses have to start making decisions now projecting the environment they will be in on january 1. let's give those businesses the service, what they deserve and their employees bypassing this middle class income tax cut now. >> i'd just like to add that the chairman and assistant leader part pants in any number of these budget discussions, that, that or the other one. there were several of them. when they went to that table as representatives of the house democrats, they had no instruction except to reach agreement. they shared the values of our caucus but the over riding value was we had to get the job done for the american people. the only thing i said i wanted to see was jobs and economic growth would be at the centerpiece of the discussions and then whatever decisions we would make about investments or cutting them revenue or raising them would center around how we create jobs. that is the way we are going to reduce the deficit by creating jobs. and every step of the way, every time we came
that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> tough talk. it's also completely divorced from reality. right b
and serious significant amount of money. >> this weekend you can talk about tom coburn above the fiscal cliff and the republican party in "in the." on c-span 2. >> his comments, the same day timothy geithner made the rounds on capitol hill, visiting with house and senate leaders, this is 10 minutes. >> the president has warned us about going over the fiscal cliff. his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party some quite comfortable with the sending his party over the fiscal cliff. two 6 ago had a comfortable conversation and the white house. i would say two thanks. despite declines the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have it to its various a barrel spending cuts. secondly, no progress has been made in the talks over the last a of weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for american leadership. it is the way ticket it done until washington. a mature0 lead and a had a meeting with his secretary. it was frank and d -- it was frank and direct. we saw to find out what the president i
.com/pricerewind. >>> today in his first interview since winning re-election, president obama talked about the fiscal cliff standoff. he put his foot down on what is negotiable and what is not. >> we have to say the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to get a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn. it's not me being partisan. it's just a matter of math. i'm happy to entertain other ideas the republicans may present, but we are not going to cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of the deficit problem we have. >> so, are we on the verge of something big, something that could really change our politics? joining me now, senator barbara boxer, democrat from california and whip of the senate. thank you for being on the show. >> i love being on your show. thank you. >> if the gop agrees to tax increases, how important might that be in terms of showing they actually are capable of working with the president? >> you know, the way they raised the question, if they agree to tax increases, they claim they're willing to do these loop-hole closers but the differenc
we ought to be working on, talking about resolving is the fiscal cliff. it simply puts another dysfunctional fight between republicans in congress and the administration front page for them to nominate a new secretary of state and have her held up for weeks and weeks at a time when there's issues all over the world that demand a clear and strong secretary of state. to her qualifications, i'll say this. it is vital in negotiating with foreign heads of state in representing the united states around the world in crisis spots and in working with close allies that a secretary of state be known to have the full confidence of the president. that they be trusted and relied upon. she certainly does have that. a close relationship. >> bill: on the fiscal cliff what is going to happen. will we avoid going over the fiscal cliff? senator chris coons will tell us that when we come back here on the "full court press." nothing like pressure here. >> announcer: this is the "full court press." the "bill press show." live on your r
at quarterback. sorry, i've just got to say it. so let's talk about the fiscal cliff. >> you don't want to stick on it? >> you want to stick on this? the thing about josh hamilton is, in the 162nd game of the year. >> yeah. >> he basically let a pop fly fall in front of him. >> yeah. >> no effort. >> the irony, of course, is that he probably has the sweetest swing and the most pure talent in baseball. and when he's on, there's no one better. i think he had a four-home run game where every ball was a line drive. it was right on the peg of the bat. if he put it all together, he would have been sitting pretty right now. >> he would have. so fiscal warnings yet to faze wall street. steve rattner, this is a good one to talk to you about with congress and the president seeming to be further and further apart. we're starting to hear well, maybe we can survive the fiscal cliff for a little while. what's going on? >> no, i don't think wall street is saying we can survive fiscal cliff. they're saying i'm not sure we're going over the fiscal cliff. right after the election wall street dropped 5% when every
for everything he has done. [laughter] and now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. let me start off just by -- we will do the house rules, except we will cut in half. 30 seconds -- then we will have time to elaborate on all this. i want to go through the panel. what do think the odds are that some kind of the deal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration and all the tax hikes? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it is 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is, though, is this going to be a big enough deal, and will actually be enough of a down payment that it will lead to something else subsequently that will actually avoid the kind of enormous consequences of $16 trillion of debt? that percentage will be lower than the 80%. >> let's come back to the big picture -- in the short term, by january 1 -- will we avoid the cliff? >> i think it is likely that we avoid it. it does not appear that that is going so well. it is so easy for us just to do the things we need to do. i think the real line in the sand is going to be the debt ceiling. i really do think -- i have sai
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to talk about the fiscal cliff. unfortunately, it's the president and members of his own party who were proposing that we let many small businesses, as in hundreds of thousands of them, go over the fiscal cliff. simply put, that's why we don't have an agreement as yet. they said yesterday this is not a game. i used to be a small business owner. small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who, in today's economy, are facing challenges on a daily basis. and the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. and if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. and the debt problem that we have will continue to threaten our children's
about the tax component of this fiscal cliff and it absolutely is a tax component. we talk about taxes as it relates to small businesses and creating jobs. we talk about taxes as it relates to individual families and being able to make ends meet. but what this chart shows, mr. speaker, is spending and tax revenue of the federal government of the united states of america from 1947 out to 2077. and you can't see the intory indicate detail here, mr. speaker, but what you can see here from far, far away is this green line that represents tax revenue is a relatively flat and constant line. as a general rule it doesn't matter whether tax rate were the 90% marginal rates, the 70% marginal rates that they were when john f. kennedy was president and he cut taxes or whether they were 28 marginal rate during the reagan years. mr. speaker, it turns out -- and this is of no surprise to you -- turns out the american people are pretty smart. and if you raise taxes on this behavior, they switch to this behavior. and if you raise taxes on that behavior, they switch to this behavior. because at the end
minority leader mitch mcconnell also talked about the so-called fiscal cliff on the floor of the senate. >> it was widely assumed among republicans that president obama and democrats back toward to avoid it. that was the common goal, or so we thought. over the past couple of weeks, and has become increasingly clear to many of us that we were simply wrong about that. incredibly, many top democrats, including the president, seemed perfectly happy to go off the cliff. that is why the president has been more interested in campaign rallies than actually negotiating a deal. that explains why the president is stubbornly insisting on raising tax rates when he himself said just last year that you raised more revenue from capping deductions than closing loopholes. this is not about the deficit for them, or balance. it's about an ideological campaign that most americans thought would have ended on november 6. the president said timothy geithner of beer with a proposal -- up here with a proposal that was more a provocation than a proposal, to be perfectly frank about it. it was a message that the p
characterized this fight over the fiscal cliff but alan simpson managed to do it with a video promoting had is campaign to fix the debt. >> stop instagramming your breakfast and tweeting your problems and getting on youtube so you can see gangnam style. ♪ and start using those precious social media skills to go out and sign people up on this baby, three people a week, let it grow, and don't forget take part or get taken apart. by these old ones will clean out the treasury before you get there. ♪ >> [ inaudible ]. >> the lasso again and then the horseback. horse horse. the cowboys ride. >> it made my day. i had to share it with you. chris cizilla an msnbc contributor and managing editor of post politics.com and susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today." hello. alan simpson never fails. >> i was instagraming, andrea. i was busy instagraming. >> chris, maybe this do broke through. put him on the road, have him go door to door. >> my favorite part of the video which i have watched approximately 1,000 times is when he says at the end, so another lasso then. >> and he is a man who k
the country, the fiscal cliff. there has been zero progress on a deal, no behind the scenes negotiating. no staff level talks, even. nothing. former senate majority leader george mitchell has ideas on how to get a deal. we'll also speak to a political panel, eric erickson and rich gaylen and what it will take to stop the suffering in syria. we show heart breaking pictures of these like a family fleeing for 21 months now. we know it's hard to watch. we think it's worth making sure the world knows what is happening inside the country. senator john mccain has also been keeping a close eye on syria. you'll hear from him tonight. >>> and the image of a man in the final seconds of his life about to be struck by a subway train. we'll ask dr. drew pinsky about why he was being photographed instead of rescued. there was a lot of people standing around on the platform. should they have gotten involved. a lot more at the top of the hour. >> we'll see you in a few minutes. >>> now our fifth story "outfront." did hollywood get access to classified information? "zero dark 30" is about the situation i
really wants to avoid sending the economy over the fiscal cliff, he has done nothing to demonstrate it. the position of congressman tom cole, that the party should agree immediately to extend the bush tax rates for americans making less than $250,000 a year is the best of a bunch of bad choices for the gop. >> the g 0 op is boxed in saying it's a terrible position because by default democrats get what they want. a big bargaining chip for house republicans is they need congress to raise the debt ceiling before the end of february when analysts estimate the treasury would run out of options and hit the borrowing cap. no deal is reached. closer to the deadline and today they will argue that's bad for business. help in supporting an approach without drama or delay a. >> we can't be going through another debt crisis, debt ceiling crisis like in 2011. that has to be dealt with. >> the president of the business roundtable has said congress should raise the debt ceiling enough for the next five years to avoid uncertainty. clearly that's something that won't happen. short term spending cuts sho
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make a fine point ability the democrats -- about the democrats wanting to go over the fiscal cliff but not all do because in that fall, are some very important projects and programs that they then have to go to their districts going into 2014 to talk about and so everybody gets the end game here and the articulation of that, to your point, is much better served by the president right now than it is by the gop. >> luke, in terms of john boehner and all of this, is he prepared to forfeit the votes of the most sort of conservative members of his base, and the other thing i want to ask you about his timing -- theoretically we think he's going to get re-elected speaker of the house, the speaker's office thinks he's going to get reelected speaker -- that vote could happen, if this deal gets pushed into january that could happen within a matter of weeks? >> i don't think there's any doubt that john boehner will be re-elected speaker of the house no matter what happens with this deal. no one behind him. brutus as has been said before on this network. i think in this case, boehner would be
the fiscal cliff. it included $1.6 trillion in new revenue from tax hikes on the rich. the white house is giving $400 billion in savings from medicare and entitlements. there's also a request for at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, and other stimulus measures. none of this is a surprise to the republicans. this is what president obama campaigned on. it's also what republicans have been presented behind closed doors for weeks. "politico" reported on the deal taking shape behind the scenes. it includes most of the same details the white house has in its proposal. according to "politico" house republican leaders recognize president obama holds the high cards and the public is likely to blame republicans if negotiations blow up and the new year begins with a fiscal disaster. the facts didn't stop speaker boehner from claiming the white house is holding up negotiations. >> majority leader and i just had a meeting with the treasury secretary. it was frank, and it was direct. i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. >> the treasury secretary's
, not a grand bargain, but enough to get past the fiscal cliff for six months or maybe even a year to try to get the bigger package. >> so if halperin thinks biden's going to be the definer here, i'm a little concerned because anyone who goes to costco does not care about spending money. >> it's a fascinating question. eugene robinson, i must ask you -- we love joe. joe's amazing. >> he's perfect. >> does tom cole this morning feel a bit like uriah being sent out front only to be slaughtered? yes, let's be generous, let's talk about raising taxes, though i'm one of the most conservative conservatives. let's be responsible like the media's told us to be responsible. and then the president comes out with his offer, and everybody's just staring at him. he's going to be primaried. >> well, he could be primaried. i think that's the risk he ran. i think tom cole, what he said was smart, actually, and would be smart for the republicans to take. >> yeah, if you live in georgetown. >> to take a deal with 98%. look, what the president has done is put out a sort of maximalist opening position, and the way
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